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Post by crazyjay485 on Mar 2, 2011 14:51:42 GMT -5
Well i just wanna say im fine with puppets and itatchi i have the perfect stratgy and its called defence people and play smart(and turtle ur ### off if u wanna) for itatchi dont let his health get down to awaking and if time is off dont chain a specail when u know they will die these are the things i do Banning some1s favorite character really hurts there chances of winning the torny
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Post by Assassin84 on Mar 2, 2011 15:01:32 GMT -5
If you think that moves (or even characters) should be banned, you're playing the wrong game. The thing you have realize is that just because something is in game, it doesn't make it balanced. There is a reason why all games keep coming out with updates and patches to make things more balanced, the only reason you don't see that happening for this game, is because the team that created this game isn't working on this game anymore. Even games that are MLG and top games constantly keep coming out with balance changes, and even look at games like Halo, there are like 30 weapons and vehicles and a bunch of maps, and most of them don't get used for MLG as in for competitive play because it's not balanced, and I would say Bungie is a lot better at creating balanced game rather then the storm 2 team. But still for competitive play things are banned. Even look at all other fighting games everything is a lot more balanced there. In games like MVC3, SSF4, Tekken, and other if characters are big and slow they do more damage and have more health. But in Storm 2 every character does some what the same damage, regardless of speed, so automatically slow characters are useless, thats why you don't see any slow characters make it past the first 2 rounds in the tournaments. It gets even worse, faster characters actually do more damage then slow characters. The game just isn't balanced, I tried using Sasori for the first time yesterday and played 30 ranked matchs, I was able to win every single one just by blocking and tilt. If I can win that much for my first time playing as sasori and against Heros, meaning people who have played for a while and at least know how to play the game. Then I really don't see how thats legit. thats just my opinion. I can beat Sasoris, only because I use tricks and sometimes they don't start out sapm blocking and tilt/grab. But once they start losing they fall back to that strategy. So if you think it's balanced then tell me, what other character has as fast of a recovery time, can block very effectively, has ranged attacks essentially being able to rush without putting themselves in danger, POISON, and even when they get attacked by people in awakening, like kakashi who if he chidoris u in awakening and u just block he breaks ur block, but sasoris puppet takes the hit and gives him a chance to fight back. plus a really easy juggle to ultimate. No other character has that combination of advantages, sure some characters have a few advantages but not every single advantage. Sorry for the rant, but you do have to realize just because its in the game doesn't make it balanced, people who make video games are just people too. They don't actually posses godly skills to make the most balanced game in the universe.
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Post by tenkirby on Mar 2, 2011 15:11:25 GMT -5
Well... not alot of players know how to deal with sasori but there are characters that have an advantage over sasori. For example, Kiba's jutsu goes through both gaurds giving no advantages over the "double gaurd". Minato,Lee and gai in their awakenings can pop right behind sasori havning no reason for the puppet. range characters kill bot gaurds (sasoris and puppets) with range air combo. Players should have a plan when dealing with a sasori, it may be annoying, but it feels good when u beat a spamming sasori.
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Post by Assassin84 on Mar 2, 2011 15:21:02 GMT -5
Well... not alot of players know how to deal with sasori but there are characters that have an advantage over sasori. For example, Kiba's jutsu goes through both gaurds giving no advantages over the "double gaurd". Minato,Lee and gai in their awakenings can pop right behind sasori havning no reason for the puppet. range characters kill bot gaurds (sasoris and puppets) with range air combo. Players should have a plan when dealing with a sasori, it may be annoying, but it feels good when u beat a spamming sasori. Yeah its true Kiba and those people who can teleport in awakening take some of his advantage away. Then you have to realize, just like everyone is saying banning sasori will lower that persons chance of winning because its his best character. What if Lee. Gai, Minato, and Kiba are not your main characters but you choose them cause you know you have to fight a Sasori eventually. Wouldn't that be the same thing? Not using your main character to deal with something.
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Post by tenkirby on Mar 2, 2011 15:34:06 GMT -5
Yeah its true Kiba and those people who can teleport in awakening take some of his advantage away. Then you have to realize, just like everyone is saying banning sasori will lower that persons chance of winning because its his best character. What if Lee. Gai, Minato, and Kiba are not your main characters but you choose them cause you know you have to fight a Sasori eventually. Wouldn't that be the same thing? Not using your main character to deal with something. that could be true. But u do have a week before the torny... instead of asking for sasori to get banned... go train to fight against him WITH your top char... theres always a way to beat someone... its just burried under all the spam and annoyance u feel during the match BTW my top is Tenten and i have a pretty well plan to fight off sasoris but its not a solid proof plan... so im gnna work on it. I suggest you do the same.
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Post by Øutlawx™ on Mar 2, 2011 15:44:30 GMT -5
TenTen? That's pretty cool. I'd like to see what you can do with that character :]. Also, I don't think everyone understands that it's not us who is having trouble with the characters. We're just expressing the opinions of others and stating claims that are pretty legitimate if you actually understood the game mechanics. It's annoying when people start pointing fingers at the wrong people.
As far as this tournament goes, nothing is getting banned. In the future, we might just have several tier tournaments to satisfy everybody. That's all we want anyway. Lighten up people.
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Post by tenkirby on Mar 2, 2011 15:47:21 GMT -5
Lol... srry if i misjudged you... im just expressing how i feel on the matter of "sasori" XD
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Post by Øutlawx™ on Mar 2, 2011 15:49:21 GMT -5
Lol it's alright man, no harm. I'm glad you joined in on the discussion.
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Post by Bobroham on Mar 2, 2011 15:52:16 GMT -5
Hey now, I never said that I don't think that this game isn't unbalanced. We all know that Sasori has the best overall moveset in the game, but that doesn't make him hard to counter. It is also true that certain good characters (Lars, Choji, Hinata etc...) don't stand a chance vs a good Sasori. But there are other characters like Minato and Ino, which in my opinion have the upperhand in a match vs Sasori. In a 1v1 match, it doesn't matter how good your character is overall, just how good he is vs your opponent. You just need to pick your character wisely. I'm not going to get more specific than this *This also has nothing to do with my opinion on banning, just game mechanics
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Post by Assassin84 on Mar 2, 2011 16:58:27 GMT -5
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Post by tenkirby on Mar 2, 2011 17:06:54 GMT -5
lol.... ide show you some footage of a tenten beating a sasori too but sadly i dont have the weird software you guys use although that was a nice fight.... but in the fight with u n neji... dont u think u ninja threw abit too many shuriken? dont get me wrong neji was pretty much turtling the fight
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Post by Øutlawx™ on Mar 2, 2011 17:18:15 GMT -5
Assassin you shuriken spammer!! Joking Hadoken. That dude was one giant turtle.
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Post by Assassin84 on Mar 2, 2011 17:22:50 GMT -5
lol well yeah I threw shuriken a little too much lol, that match was a few months ago, I don't play like that anymore.
Back then I was thinking while I'm moving around might as well do some sort of attack at the same time.
But now that I learned jumping around throwing shuriken is easily punished I stopped. I still play aggressive.
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Post by tenkirby on Mar 2, 2011 17:35:38 GMT -5
lol well yeah I threw shuriken a little too much lol, that match was a few months ago, I don't play like that anymore. Back then I was thinking while I'm moving around might as well do some sort of attack at the same time. But now that I learned jumping around throwing shuriken is easily punished I stopped. I still play aggressive. as far as I can tell im more of a defensive.... (not like in the vid.... IM NOT A TURTLER) XD... i watch what my opponent does and assess the situation on the spot according to what hes doing... i play as tenten so being defensive suites her more anyway
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Post by Prostriker on Mar 2, 2011 18:47:17 GMT -5
I am a sasori user, and i believe that Sasori Should be banned. I am not biased, cuz i do use sasori.
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